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Robert Bramwell
1763 - 1829
Robert Bramwell's somewhat shaky signature on his will (26) just prior to his death in 1829
Robert was born in about 1763 in Windmill, to parents William and Amey (1). He had a younger sister Jenny, born in 1766 (32), and four younger brothers - William was born in 1769 (2), John in 1771 (3), George in 1773 (4) and Josiah and 1775 (5). However John and Josiah both died later in 1775 (6)(7).
He married Ann (aka Nancy) Bocking on Boxing Day 1786 in Tideswell (8), and they set up home there. Their first child Martha was born the following year (9), followed by Mary in 1789 (12), then Elizabeth in 1791 (13), but she died aged just 2 (14) He also had a son George who died young in 1793 (30). His eldest surviving son, William, was born in 1795 (15), followed by Robert in 1797 (16). His mother died in 1798 (17). He had another son Edward in 1800 (18), then a daughter Jane in 1802 (19), and youngest son George in 1805 (20). His father died in 1806 (21). His youngest daughter Nancy was born in 1807 (22).
In 1802 Robert was named as a trustee and executor, and also bequeathed £5, in the will of a local yeoman, George Oldfield. Probate was granted to him at a court held in Bakewell in 1805. This is also the earliest mention of Robert being a joiner (31).
His wife died in 1819 (23), but Robert didn't stay single for long. He married Hannah Marshall, a widow 15 years his senior, in December 1820 (24). She died in 1828, at which time Robert was said to be the parish clerk (25).
Robert made his will about a year later, on 19th April 1829 (26)(27)(28). In this he states that he was a joiner living in Tideswell, but owned a property in Windmill (presumably inherited from his father). He left the Windmill property to his eldest child Martha and her husband, who were already living there, and his weaving equipment to his brother George. Everything else was to be divided equally between his 8 surviving children. He obviously had some standing in the village as the witnesses on his will were a farmer, a druggist and the vicar's son.
He died within a matter of days of writing his will, and was buried in Tideswell on 26th April. He had remained the parish clerk up until his death (29).
Brief details of his children:
- Martha was born in Tideswell about 1787. She married her cousin once removed, Francis Bramwell, the son of her great uncle John Bramwell, a weaver, in 1807, and they lived in Windmill. They had 4 sons, John (born about 1808), Joseph (1815), William (1819) and George (1822), then finally a daughter Jane in 1825. She was the main beneficiary of her father's will, inheriting the house she already lived in, in 1830. She remained there until her death in 1858.
- Mary was born in Tideswell in 1789. She married Richard Oven, a hatter, in 1807, and they had eight children - Margaret (born about 1808), William (1809), Robert (1811), George, 1813, Ann (1816), Martha (1820), Edward (1828) and Jane (1829). They moved to Sockport sometime in the 1820s, but nothing is known of them after 1829.
- Elizabeth was born in Tideswell in 1791 and died in 1793.
- George's date of birth is unknown, but he died a child in 1793.
- William was born in Tideswell in 1795. He became a joiner, and married Ann Harrison in 1817. They lived in Tideswell where they had eight children - Jane Elizabeth (born about 1818), Robert (1819), Samuel Harrison (1822), Mary Anne (1825), Jabez Mason (1828, died 1832), Harriet (1830), Jabez (1833) and Elizabeth (1837). William died in 1840.
- Robert has his own page.
- Edward was born in Tideswell in 1800. He became a butcher, and married Elizabeth Bingham in 1823. They lived in Tideswell, where they had 13 children - James (born 1823), Willam (1825), Robert (1827), George (1828), Mary Ann (1830), Edward (1832), John (1833), Archelaus (1835), Henry (1837), Septimus (1839), Robert (1841), Francis (1842) and Jane (1844). Edward remained in Tideswell, workling as a butcher until his death in 1871.
- Jane was born in Tideswell in 1802. She was still unmarried at time of her father's death, but nothing more is known of her.
- George was born in Tideswell in 1805. Nothing is known of his life, but he was living in Stockport (maybe with or near his sister Mary?) at the time of his death in 1837.
- Nancy (or Ann) was born in Tideswell in 1807. She was still single in 1829, but nothing more is known of her.
Sources:
- There is as yet no direct evidence that Robert was the son of William and Amey (*now confirmed below). However, there is a fair amount of evidence that points to this, and it fits the known facts better than any other scenario:
- At his burial (29) Robert age is given as 65 in April 1829, which puts his birth in 1763 or 1764.
- There are no baptisms for a Robert Bramwell in the Tideswell parish register for that time.
- Robert's will (26) indicates that he owned property in Windmill, even though he lived in Tideswell. This could well be property that he inherited, and hence he may have originated in Windmill.
- Extracting all of the entries from the Tideswell parish register that concern someone called Bramwell from Windmill indicates quite clearly that the earliest Bramwell there was Robert Bramwell (died 1751), and he had two sons to carry on the family name - John and William (both of whom had children in the 1760s), and that all the Windmill Bramwells are descended thus. Robert therefore seems very likely to have inherited his Windmill property from one of these two brothers.
- Robert's daughter Martha married Francis, the son of John Bramwell of Windmill, so Robert himself cannot be a son of John. He therefore must be the son of William, if he is from this family.
- William's wife was called Amey/Amy (once written as Emmet too), a quite rare name at that time in that parish, and Robert's son Robert called one of his daughters Amy.
*This theory has now been confirmed - the Parish Register of St Peter's, Hope contains an entry which reads :
[August 1763 Christenings] Robt Son William & Amy Bramwall Windmill - 4.
- Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[June 1769] Baptized Wm the son of Wm Bramwell of Windmill 25
- Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[March 1771] Baptized John the son of William & Amey Bramwell of Windmill 2
- Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[April 1773] Baptized George son of William & Amey Bramwell of Windmill 17
- Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[May 1775] Baptized Josiah son of William & Emmet Bramwell of Windmill 7
- Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[November 1775] Buried John son of Wm Bramwell of Windmills 21
- Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[December 1775] Buried Josiah ye son of Wm Bramwell of Windmill 13
- Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
Robt Bramwell of the Parish of Tideswell
and Anne Bockin of the
same parish Spinster were
Married in this Church by Banns
this 26th Day of Decr in the Year One Thousand seven Hundred
and eighty six By me Richd Shuttleworth Vicar
| The Marriage was solemnized between Us |
Robt Bramwell |
| Anne Bockin X |
| In the Presence of |
Robt Longden |
| Thos Alcock |
- Tideswell parish register includes entries for the baptism of Robert's daughter Martha in 1787 (10), and her burial in 1794 (11). This all seems very straightforward, until Robert's will (26) is taken into account when he explicitly mentions his daughter Martha, and indeed makes her his main beneficiary, as seems appropriate if she was the eldest child (although of the course the eldest son being the main beneficiary was more the norm). Her ages in the 1841 & 1851 census, along with that given at her burial, don't tally with each other, and respectively imply a birthdate of 1786-1791, 1784-1785 and 1787-1788. As her parents weren't married until 1786, the earliest end of this range can be discounted. While it was quite common to "re-use" a name when a child died young, for that to be the case here, a second Martha would have to have been born after 1794 - a number of years after the latest date implied in the documents cited, and as she married in 1807 this can't be the case. Hence it seems most likely that the burial in 1794 is either an error in the parish register or appplies to another unknown Martha daughter of a different Robert. Robert had a cousin called Robert (born 1773, died 1798), the son of his uncle John. Although he is not known to have married, or to have moved from his native Windmill to Tideswell at any time, it could concievably be a daughter of his that died in 1794.
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Baptisms, December 1787] 25 Martha Dr of Robert & Ann Bramwell of Tideswell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Burials, May 1794] 30 Martha Dr of Robt Bramwells Tideswell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Baptisms, June 1789] 21 Mary ye Daughter of Robt & Ann Bramwell of Tideswell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Baptisms, June 1791] 26 Eliz: Dr of Robt & Nancy Bramwell of Tideswell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Burials, December 1793] 9 Eliz: Dr of Robt Bramwell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Baptisms, January 1795] 25 William, son of Robt & *Ann Bramwell of Tideswell *Nancy
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
*Nancy [1797] Sept 24 Robert Son of Robt and Ann* Bramwell of Tideswell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Burials. June 1798] 18 Amy Wife of Willm Bramwell of Windmill
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Baptisms, February 1800] 5 Edward, Son of Robt & *Ann Bramwell of Tideswell *Nancy
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Baptisms, August 1802] 10 Jane, Daugr of Robt & Ann Bramwell of Tideswell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Baptisms, May 1805] 1st George, Son of Robt & Nancy Bramwell of Tideswell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Burials October 1806] 27 William Bramwell of Wind Mill
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
[Baptisms, August 1807] 23 Nancy, Daugr of Robt & Nancy Bramwell of Tideswell
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
| Name |
Abode |
When buried |
Age |
Ann, Wife of
Robt Bramwell |
Tideswell |
June 1st
[1819] |
yrs
54 |
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
Robert Bramwell of this Parish
of Tideswell, Widower
and Hannah Marshall of the same Parish
widow
were married in this Church by License
this twenty first Day of
December in the Year One thousand eight hundred and twenty
By me Jno Duncalf Off. Minister
| This Marriage was solemnized between us |
Robt Bramwell |
| Hannah Marshall |
| In the Presence of |
Josh [Leech] |
| Hellen Newton |
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
| Name |
Abode |
When buried |
Age |
Hannah, Wife of
Robt Bramwell
Parish Clerk |
Tideswell |
Mar 14th
[1828] |
yrs
79 |
Will (page 1,
page 2,
page 3) of Robert Bramwell (ref: B/C/11/Robert Bramwell, Tideswell, 1830 @ LRO) reads:
This is the last Will and testament of me
Robert Bramwell the Elder of Tideswell in the
County of Derby Joiner - I will and direct that all
my just debts funeral and testamentary espenses
be fully paid and satisfied out of my personal
Estate. I give and devise all that my messuage
or tenement situate at Windmill in the parish of
Hope in the said County of Derby, now in the
occupation of Francis Bramwell my son in law, unto
and to the use of my daughter Martha the wife of
the said Francis Bramwell her Heirs and Assigns
for ever. And as to for and concerning all and
singular other the Property whether Real or Personal
or whatever other nature or kind the same may be
(except my Weaving Apparel) which I shall be seized
of or over which I shall have a disposing power
at the time of my decease I give devise and bequeath
the same respectively and every part thereof unto and
to the use of my sons William, Robert, and Edward
Bramwell their Heirs Executors Administrators and
Assigns Upon Trust that they or the survivors or
survivor of them or the Heirs Executors Administrators
or Assigns of such survivor do and shall as soon as
conveniently may be after my decease sell and dispose
of the same Real and Personal Estates either by
public auction or private contract as to them my
said Trustees or Trustee shall seem best for the
most money that can be had or gotten for the same
respectively and also do and shall make execute and
perfect all neccesary or proper deeds conveyances
and apurances for vesting the same Real Estates
in any purchaser or purchasers thereof or in such
person or persons and for such uses intent and
purposes as he or they shall direct or appoint. And
I hereby declare that the receipts of the said
Trustees or Trustee shall be good and sufficient
discharges to the purchasers of my said Real Estates
for the purchase money for which the same shall
be so sold and that such purchasers their Heirs
Executors Administrators or Assigns shall not
afterwards be answerable or accountable for any
loss misapplication or nonapplication of such
purchase money so received or any part thereof. And
upon further Trust that they my said Trustees or
Trustee do and shall retain and pay the proceeds
or produce of my said Real and Personal Estates so
directed to be sold as aforesaid unto and amongst
my said sons William, Robert, and Edward, and my
son George, and my daughters the said Martha
Bramwell, Mary the wife of Richard Oven of
Stockport Hatter, Jane Bramwell and Ann
Bramwell, equally to be divided between or amongst
them share and share alike, and the issue of such
of them as shall be then dead, such issue to stand
in the place and be entitled to the share of his
her or their deceased parent; and in case any of
my said children shall happen to depart this life
without issue before his her or their share or
shares shall become payable under and by virtue
of this my Will I do direct that the share or
shares of him her or them so dying shall go and
accrue to the survivors or survivor of my said children
and be payable in like manner as their original
share or shares hereinbefore mentioned. I give and
bequeath all my Weaving Apparel unto my brother
George Bramwell absolutely. And I do hereby nominate
and appoint my said sons William, Robert, and
Edward Executors of this my Will. And lastly I
hereby revoke all former Wills by me at any time
heretofore made. In Witness whereof I the said
Robert Bramwell the elder the testator have hereunto
set my hand and seal the nineteenth day of
April in the year of our Lord One thousand eight
hundred and twenty nine.
Signed Sealed Published and \
Declared by the above named |
Robert Bramwell the Elder the |
testator as and for his last Will |
and Testament in the presence | Robt Bramwell
of us who have hereunto subscribed |
our names as witnesses thereto |
in his presence and in the presence |
of each other.
/
Richd Warhurst
Wm Barber
W Montagu Brown
Probate
of Robert Bramwell (ref: B/C/11/Robert Bramwell, Tideswell, 1830 @ LRO) reads:
At Tideswell the 22nd day of March 1830
Let a Probate of this Will be granted to William
Bramwell Joiner and Edward Bramwell
Butcher both of Tideswell, two of the Executors
herein named, they being sworn as well to a
faithful discharge of this office, as that the
personal Estate of the Testator doth not in value
amount to one Hundred Pounds before me
Thos Brown
Surrogate
Probate Expected
29th March
Administration of Robert Bramwell (ref: B/C/11/Robert Bramwell, Tideswell, 1830 @ LRO) reads:
Will
In the Dean and Chapter Court of Lichfield.
In the Goods of Robert Bramwell the Elder
Deceased.
Appeared Personally William Bramwell of
Tideswell Joiner and Edward Bramwell
of Tideswell aforesaid Butcher two of the
Executors named in the last Will and testament of the said Robert
Bramwell late of Tideswell
in the County of Derby
Deceased; and made Oath, that the Estate and
Effects of the said Deceased, for, or in respect of which, a Probate of the said Will
of Robert Bramwell is to be granted, exclusive of what the
said Deceased may have been possessed of, or entitled to, as a Trustee for any other
person or persons, and not beneficially, but including the Leasehold Estate or
Estates for Years of the Deceased, if any, whether absolute or determinable on Lives,
and without deducting any thing on account of the Debts, due and owing from the
said Deceased are under the value of One Hundred
Pounds, to the best of these Deponent's knowledge, information and belief.
Sworn on the Twenty Seven Wm Bramwell
day of March 1830 Edwd Bramwell
before me
Thos Browne
Surrogate
Parish Register of St John the Baptist, Tideswell includes the entry:
| Name |
Abode |
When buried |
Age |
Robert Bramwell
Parish Clerk |
Tideswell |
April 26th
[1829] |
yrs
65 |
No baptism has been found for George, but Tideswell Parish Register contains the entry:
[1793 Burials] March 3 George ye son of Robt Bramwell Tideswell
The will of George Oldfield, yeoman of Tideswell, dated 29th July 1802 bequeathes "...unto Thomas Swann of Fore Street London Gentleman, William Hill of Litton Moor in the County of Derby Victualler and Robert Bramwell of Tideswell aforesaid joiner, all and singular my Real and Personal Estates Goods Chattels and Effects Hereditaments and premises with the Appurtenances ... to the intent and purpose and upon this Special Trust and Confidence nevertheless that they ... do and shall as soon as conveniently can be after my decease enter upon and take possession of all my said Real and personal Estate and Estates Goods Chattels and Effects and sell and dispose thereof ... and upon further Trust to collect get in and receive all and every sum and sums of money which shall be due and owing to me at the time of decease ... and after payment of all my Debts and legacies and after retaining all such reasonable Costs and Expenses as they my said trustees or any of them may be put unto in the execution of the Trusts hereby in them reposed. Upon further Trust forthwith to divide the remainder ..." among a long list of people. It then continues "And I do hereby also give to each of my said Trustees a Legacy of Five Pounds ... and to the rest residue and remainder of my Estate and Effects whatsoever and wheresoever not hereinbefore by me given or disposed of I do hereby Give Devise and bequeath the same and every part thereof unto them the said Thomas Swann William Hill and Robert Bramwell ... And lastly I do hereby nominate constitute and appoint the said Thomas Swann William Hill and Robert Bramwell Executors of this my Will"
Probate was granted at Bakewell on 18th October 1805, stating : "Let a Probat be made to William Hill and Robert Bramwell two of the Exors, reserving a power for Thomas Swann Gent the other Exor to prove in like manner"
Parish Register of St Peter's, Hope includes the baptism entry:
[January 1766] Jenny Dau: of William and Amy Bramwall Windmill 23
Notes:
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